In this heartfelt and transformational episode, Jeff sits down with holistic coach, healer, and soon-to-be author Alana Cahoon. Together, they unpack the power of servant-hearted leadership, navigating identity through divorce, and how forgiveness—especially self-forgiveness—can be the greatest act of healing. Alana shares how her life journey, spiritual practices, and deep-rooted self-awareness allow her to help others create a life of purpose, abundance, and love. If you're navigating a life transition, questioning your worth, or wanting to shift from fear-based to love-based living—this episode is your reminder that you're not alone, and you're not broken.
"You can't lead others until you’ve learned to lead yourself." – Jeff Ross
"Forgiveness is not just for them—it's for you. And most importantly, it's about forgiving yourself." – Alana Cahoon
"These are my riches… When you open your eyes and see what you already have, you realize you're already abundant." – Alana Cahoon
Jeff Ross (02:50) Well, welcome back legends to another episode with the Laptop Lifestyle Dad Show. This season has all about being the hero makers, you know, what it's required to focus on leaders who create other leaders, not just focusing on heroes. You know, the hero story is definitely part of the journey, but if it's just about celebrating your own success, just that part of it, it can turn into just about me, myself and I very quickly.
But when you focus on leadership that's focused on servicthood, servant-hearted leadership, it's focused on others. It's about empowering, equipping others. This is where I believe is where we get into the true heart of leadership. See leadership is not about leading me. It's about how can I not just sort of compel and manipulate others to follow me, but how can I get them to follow me because they want to follow me. And I couldn't think of a better guest here today to unpack this with you all. Alana Kahoon.
Welcome to the show. Thank you very much for saying yes. Is it all right if we just get into it?
Alana Cahoon (03:51)
please yes yes let's do it hi Jeff it's great to be here
Jeff Ross (03:56)
Yeah,
thank you. And I love to start each episode off with a bit of a grounding, you know, for our audience to get to know our guests better, you know, more intimate in that space. So the best way I found to do this, Alana, is to get people to share their story. Now, we don't want to get into the two hour version of the story. We probably just want the little two minute version. But I'd love for you just to share your story from like where you started.
you know, what got you sort of into the space where you are now and what it took to get there.
Alana Cahoon (04:29)
Okay, well, yeah, we could have a few weeks here, but ⁓ in a few minutes, in a few minutes, ⁓ I come from a robust family. I come from ⁓ a wonderful family with lots of cousins and aunts and ⁓ uncles and ⁓ grew up with them and always got together for the holidays and ⁓ went to church together and went to school together. And then as I got older, everyone kind of moved off, including myself.
Jeff Ross (04:33)
Right? I'm sure.
Alana Cahoon (04:58)
I had a dream to be on stage and so I took that dream to New York City where I lived for 10 years and I pounded the pavement as they say, but I was always very spiritual. And so while I was there, I found this wonderful center called the New York Holistic Open Center. And at the time, this was the 80s and 90s, ⁓ every guru in the world was invited over or, you know,
Jeff Ross (05:12)
Mmm.
Yep.
Alana Cahoon (05:29)
I Buddhists, monks and ⁓ the whirling dervish and I was introduced to acupuncture and ⁓ holistic medicine and meditation and Eastern philosophy. It was just so cool. I loved it. ⁓ And then, you know, zip forward, I had my family. I moved back to Rochester, New York, which is my hometown. And I just love helping people. And I've been through
Jeff Ross (05:56)
Mm.
Alana Cahoon (05:58)
a lot of suffering myself. ⁓ Living in New York was not easy. I was as an aspiring artist, very difficult. And I've gone through divorce. And I know how it can take a toll on your health, your wealth, and your happiness. And so I made it my mission to really help others learn how to manage life when it jeopardizes those three things, because it always
Jeff Ross (06:08)
Mm.
Yes, for sure.
Alana Cahoon (06:27)
There will always be times it's simply part of life and there's nothing wrong with it. But if you have the tools like meditation, like prayer, like yoga, like nutritious eating, like exercise, like walking in self love, we were talking about that earlier, then you can be in it without getting knocked down and move through it more gracefully. Yeah.
Jeff Ross (06:44)
Mmm.
I love that.
Mmm.
I love that. So was this whole conversation, like, you know, the impact and the purpose of what you're all about, was this born from a space of like a bit of an identity crisis?
Alana Cahoon (07:07)
That's great. What a great question. ⁓ Well, the identity crisis came when I ⁓ moved back home going through a pretty vicious ⁓ custody battle. Yeah. ⁓ And I needed to find a real job very quickly. And so ⁓ I got my first nine to five job and fell in love with it. I became the program director of a technology
Jeff Ross (07:19)
Yeah, I can see that.
Alana Cahoon (07:36)
business incubator where I helped people like you, ⁓ a lot of people who are listening to get your businesses up and running and hopefully succeed. And I really, found that these people needed me to help them to believe in themselves. Therefore I became a coach because I love to inspire others. The other piece, Jeff, was the spiritual hand on my back.
Jeff Ross (07:38)
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Alana Cahoon (08:05)
I've always felt very close to God, goddess, anything, you know, spiritual. And I have the ability to heal others. I can sit on a plane and a stranger will tell me their entire life and we'll come to some resolution. So I do it naturally. And so I became, I finally said, okay, I need to do more of this. And so I studied, I studied yoga and became a
Jeff Ross (08:20)
I love that.
Alana Cahoon (08:34)
not just an instructor. And I studied Reiki, which is energy healing, which is, and then I teach others and I became a certified nutritionist. so, yeah, so, and I know entrepreneurship and I love entrepreneurs. So I basically work really with professionals and entrepreneurs to help them bring balance into their lives, teaching them the tools so that they continue up the ladder, growing and expanding their business without losing sight of their health.
Jeff Ross (08:36)
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Mm.
Alana Cahoon (09:03)
and happiness.
Jeff Ross (09:05)
I love that. And the reason I asked that question around the whole identity part is because I find it, there's some, some common threads in most entrepreneurial stories, right? And normally the, the, the common thread that I've seen is there's either a, there's, ⁓ there's either a divorce, there's a health issue, there's my COVID, you lost your business. There's, there's something inside of that, that almost, I don't know, it's the house of cards come tumbling down and then
in that space, in that breaking down, there's breakthrough and a space to be built back up into the version that we're created to be. Whatever your beliefs are around faith and religion and all that sort of thing, I do believe there is a creator. And I believe that we're created to be a person that's a higher plane of ourselves. Most of us are playing small, right? And ⁓ there's a bigger version of ourselves out there, but it's not for us, it's for the greater good.
and it's about service to the greater good in that space but it normally takes, in my experience anyway, it normally takes the tumbling down of the house of cards to fall apart a little bit for you to really find your true calling in that space.
I love to go back to that moment. You know, you said you've just got, you know, you had a divorce, you know, and in that space, you've, if you found you, you know, a new job, you know, nine to five in your words and you found yourself in that. Let's go back to that moment. What was it like for you to, to, to, to go through that? Let's not hold back. Let's talk about the warts and all of it all. And inside of that conversation, what was the true depth, you know, the true wisdom that you found for yourself?
that essentially drives you today.
Alana Cahoon (10:54)
The wisdom is that I can't save everyone and I can't, I can serve, but people need to step into their own shoes, into their own power, into their own dreams. And I can inspire, motivate, teach and guide and be the shoulder and be the healer.
Jeff Ross (10:58)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Alana Cahoon (11:20)
but it's the other person and that's whether you're my husband or my child or my client or my friend or a community. It's knowing that I can't change others. I can only stand in my power and let, like you said, really let my light shine brightly and stop playing so darn small.
Jeff Ross (11:29)
Mmm.
Right. And so now he's turned into what I call a flood light or a lighthouse, you know, a lighthouse on the hill type sort of conversation to show the light for others to follow. But just like the lighthouse there is his job as responsibility is to keep the light going, you know, and to show the, you know, purpose of the lighthouse, to show the rocks that are out there in the ocean that's close to the cliffs to stop them from sinking.
But the lighthouse is not responsible for those rocks, not the ship, not to hit the rocks. It's there to guide. It's there to shine the light on it all, but it can't control the outcome. There are other outside influences, the waves, the storms, and the things of life that sometimes ⁓ guide and shape us and put us into different scenarios and different circumstances. But the lighthouse keeps shining, right?
The lighthouse keeps going for others to see that space and whatnot. I find just listening to your story and listening to myself speak at the moment, it's our job as hero makers to shine the light bright for others to follow in that space. But yeah, we can't be attached to them doing the work. They have to do that themselves.
You know, what has been your experience in this conversation, you know, as, as a coach, as a mentor to be able to still be that lighthouse, but not be attached to the mess that some people get themselves into. And never leave. I've been in my own mess. I'm sure you've been in your mess and it's hard as leaders not to go in and try and save and rescue people to guide them through that because you know, our hearts break for them.
But at the same time, we know that the strength and the resilience that can come out of that conversation when they go through it sometimes themselves a little bit and, you know, iron sharpens iron and it's our way to essentially nurture and guide people, but not rescue people. I love to unpack this a bit more.
Alana Cahoon (13:49)
Yeah. It's frustrating, quite frankly. ⁓ Yeah, it certainly can be extraordinarily heartbreaking, you know, especially if it's someone you love. And I love some of my clients. I truly love them, you know. And I find that self growth is not easy. Because we have to as we
Jeff Ross (13:55)
It is. I'm glad that you said that. That's refreshing. Because it is frustrating. It's heartbreaking.
Mmm.
Alana Cahoon (14:19)
mentioned to ourselves earlier, Jeff, we have to look in the mirror and see who we are, and know what our limitations are and what our strengths are. And often it's two sides of the same sword. ⁓ And so it's so easy to point and blame and say, well, this isn't working. Therefore, that's why my life isn't working. And that's why my business isn't working, etc. But in fact, you have to step out of that victimhood.
Jeff Ross (14:26)
Right?
Mmm.
Alana Cahoon (14:48)
and step into your complete and total power and purpose so that your light can shine, so that you can see with clarity and speak with conviction and know who you are. You don't need to be anyone else. Nobody wants you to be someone you're not. You have value. Every single person out there has value.
Jeff Ross (15:00)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah. And I think that's that part of that floodlight experience, right? Is, is, is we have to know ourselves, the, the, good, the bad, the toxic, the good side of it, or what triggers us, what sets us on fire, what, what motivates us, ⁓ in that, cause we are walking, talking skin bags full of human emotion at the end of the day, right? We're, we're spiritual creatures having a human experience and we need to understand what makes us tick. So we can make you understand what makes other people's tick.
And I know in my journey, like I'm not, I'm a high school dropout. didn't go to university to get, you know, I get an understanding of this conversation. This has just been through the school of life and just being a student obsessed with this whole conversation, reading all the books and doing it through my own experience. So I've gone from, you know, that, that person from the layman to where I am today, I've gone from being the victim, you know, being
essentially the abuser in the, in the conversation to being the person who's taken ownership of that, to stepping up and growing up, if you will, to, stepping into that, just being a boy into actually being a man in a man, in a man that's in a healthy context in that leadership to, to go through that and still growing through that, uh, by all means, you know, in that, in that transformational journey. the big thing, the catalyst in that conversation was I had to learn how
to
love something bigger than myself. ⁓ I call it God, some people call it goddess, some people call it Buddha, whatever that is, but there needs to be something in that conversation that is bigger than us, that we're working towards and serving.
Then in that side of that conversation, and we need to love ourselves and we can only love ourselves if we know ourselves. And inside of that, that allows us to, helps us to be a person of love for others to love our neighbors in that space. Right. And I feel that if we can do this together as a collective, as a humanity, you know, we can, we can, we can help solve so many of the world's problems in this space. And it's a, it's a complex undertaking. It's a messy undertaking.
but it starts with that inner journey, not the outward journey. And, but it starts from a space of not being narcissistic ⁓ or feeding the ego. It has to be about service to the greater good. What is, what's been your experience through, through, know, learning your self-worth, your self-love, your self-evaluated, your self-wisdom in that space. Can you shine a light, some insight to this conversation?
Alana Cahoon (17:48)
sure. You know, I think we all get kicked down in life, each and every one of us, regardless of how successful we are. ⁓ You know, to me, it's always surprising when a superstar rock star ⁓ ends their life like, why you have everything? You're gorgeous. You have everything. Right. But but internally, we have to have that strength, that internal strength. And yes, I do agree that having ⁓
Jeff Ross (17:53)
Mmm.
Right?
Alana Cahoon (18:18)
belief in something higher than yourself even if that higher self is the conscious current. This is something I've learned and I just love the sound of that because it's non-theistic although I do believe personally in God but it's beautiful it says that there is this beautiful current of energy that flows through each and every single one of us. It flows through me, it flows through you, it flows through
Jeff Ross (18:28)
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Alana Cahoon (18:47)
everyone that's listening and when we connect to that we feel the peace and we feel the alignment and we can be more understanding of not only ourselves but others and you talked about working hand in hand yes and yet there's so much opposition but that's what brings excitement to life it might be over dramatic it might be fanatic but it's what life kind of
Jeff Ross (19:09)
Bye.
Alana Cahoon (19:14)
You know, it's the fire. It's in the fire. So how can you still live in fire and passion without being hurtful or violent or ⁓ abusive? So there's no need. There's no need. can. We don't have to see eye to eye. ⁓ It's what, you know, opposites attract all the time so that we can learn from each other. Yeah.
Jeff Ross (19:16)
Yeah.
Mmm.
That
very much sums up my marriage. Definitely two opposites, right? So let's share for our audience. I'd love to pick your brain a little bit here and get into it. At the end of the day, this whole conversation for me, comes down to, for my brain to be able to process things, I need to break it apart.
Alana Cahoon (19:42)
Most marriages.
Jeff Ross (20:02)
and look at it. how do we help people go from one, you know, basically before to after, you know, where we are now, where we're going, you know, it's the, the, the left and the right of the conversation, the ying and the yang of the conversation, probably a better word. ⁓ so I see here in this whole conversation, essentially there's two types of energy. We've got fear based energy and we've got love based energy.
Now I know if I, you know, if I have millions of dollars and I'm always operating out of fear based energy, I'm probably going to start to lean into greed and selfishness and, and those concepts, you know, like you talked about the rock star and you know, taking their life and that type of thing. I see a lot of lifestyles. You can look from the outside in, and this is no judgment. It's not pointing fingers. It's just is what it is to give it some context.
there's a lot of people operating out of fear based energy and causing anxiety and stress in their lives, right? But I also see the opposite to that when the same person has wealth and it has the health and has the abundance of finances and joy and love in their life operating out of a love based energy, then it's a completely different conversation.
So you help a lot of people in that space to find their passion, to find their purpose and lean into that, the holistic approach to it, what you do. So how do you help people navigate this scenario between fear and love?
Alana Cahoon (21:41)
Yeah, that's beautiful. That's a beautiful question. And it reminds me of one of the exercises I work with clients is the law of attraction to magnify what you want. And I think the most important, the most important aspect of attracting what you want is to know how it is going to serve you and how it's going to serve everyone else in your life.
Jeff Ross (21:52)
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Mm, powerful.
Alana Cahoon (22:12)
And it's an example if I want a red convertible with I don't know, you know, and, it doesn't fit in my garage, and then I've got to make another arrangement. And I can't afford it and then I have to shift. And then my husband's always wanted the red convertible and I got it first. And, know, these are just kind of like silly things. But it puts it into perspective, you know, why do you want a million dollars? Why do you want the
Jeff Ross (22:37)
Of course.
Alana Cahoon (22:42)
How is it going to serve you? How will it serve others? If you can only seat two people and you've got a family of five, how does it serve you? So not to say not to do something, but think about it. And I think a lot of it is our career paths, our career paths and our love lives. You know, how does that make you feel inside and out financially? It's going to be secure. That's beautiful. You can take care of your health insurance and the health insurance of your family.
Jeff Ross (22:50)
Mmm.
Alana Cahoon (23:11)
⁓ But if you hate your job, it just doesn't matter because your health is going to go out the window. So there are things to look at. Why do I want to coach others? It's not to bring me fame and riches. It's to fulfill my life purpose. I feel completely centered and natural in my complete nature when I sit across from someone
and say, how are you? How can I help you? And I listen.
Jeff Ross (23:46)
But see the key thing there is through both examples that you just shared and what I was talking about is, is it about serving me, myself and I, or is it about how can I be of service to others? It's all about otherness.
And I think when you can get out of your, your own ego, me, myself, and I conversation, and I know this is true to my story. You know, I've had millions of dollars in that space. And when it was, was it just about serving me and, and, my agenda and my family and, all of that sort of thing, all money did was it would just amplified all my problems and it amplified the heart, the greed of it all. And I had to go through some, some very strong transformative work in that space to, to, to not make it about.
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me, but to make it about others and to be of service to others. it's a totally different conversation. And inside this, there's so much more purpose and joy when you're working towards service to others, I find. I actually, I think this is very timely. actually put up, it's funny how these things work, right? I didn't know that we were going to have this conversation today because this is unscripted, but I, I put up a post about two hours ago on Facebook and I wanted to, and I think this sort of sums up the conversation and I want to unpack this with you and get your thoughts of it.
Alana Cahoon (24:42)
Yeah.
Jeff Ross (25:00)
So essentially the whole thing that comes around is about money, right? You know, money can be a tool to create awesome expansion on the kingdom resources and the mission, or it can be a tool to feed the greed and in that space of one. So money's not the problem here. It's a character deficiency or a lack of character or a strong character.
which is the highlight of this conversation, right? So this is what I put in here in this post is what I'm learning about money and the heart. And by very much, I'm still learning, still growing, still figuring out what it really means to build wealth without losing your soul.
There was a time in my life when I had access to millions and instead of bringing peace, just made the cracks in my character louder. Because I've learned money doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you already are becoming. I've seen firsthand the heartbreak that greed can cause. It's tore my family apart, it's tested me as a person, and for a long time, I thought money itself was the problem. The more I had, the more my problems were amplified.
But over the years, I've come to realize it's not about the money, it's about mentorship, it's about mindset, it's about leadership, essentially discipleship. Without guidance, without healthy leadership, money becomes a master. But when your heart is anchored in faith, purpose and service, money becomes a tool.
It's a resource for good. Now I'm still learning how to steward this very well. I haven't got it mastered by any means. I'm still a student in this space and I'm still learning how to stay generous when things are tight and humble when things are overflowing. But honestly, I'm grateful for my mentors who have helped me see that the real goal isn't to chase success, it's to grow our character. Because true freedom doesn't come from having more, it comes from becoming more.
So if you're somewhere out there on the same journey, learning, unlearning, growing, well guess what? You're not alone. And so let's learn how to lead with love. Let's learn how to lead with our hearts and guide our hands. And essentially for me, know, Alana, this whole conversation comes down to, you know, everybody's got a bit of an assignment on their lives, right? They've got a calling. They've got the thing that they're yearning to become.
But without alignment with your head, with your heart and your hands and your soul, then, you know, money becomes a very powerful tool that can lead us down the wrong path. I love to unpack this a little bit. We're, you know, we're coming up to sort of, you know, 25 minutes in this episode, but I'd love to just keep going with this a little bit longer and just get your insights to help us to pull this together.
Alana Cahoon (27:47)
Well, it was very powerful what you just spoke of this, this ⁓ bringing it all together. And I think everyone is different on their path with their relationship with money. ⁓ gratitude is the word that I find is the most important. I'm going to give an example. ⁓ I was meditating in my sun room, which is also my
Jeff Ross (27:50)
Thank you.
Mmm
Alana Cahoon (28:16)
healing room. bring clients there and coach and I was just thinking about money like, you know, why is it hard? Where's the money? And then settle into a peaceful state and I opened my eyes and looked around me and said, these are my riches. These. So whenever you're feeling like you don't have enough,
Jeff Ross (28:40)
There you go.
Alana Cahoon (28:46)
Try that. Close your eyes, take a few deep breaths in, settle in, and then open your eyes and look. My goodness, these are my riches. These are your riches.
Jeff Ross (28:57)
Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. And it really sums up this conversation around leadership, right? Because we can't lead others if we can't lead ourselves.
And we can't help others to lead others if we don't know the true heart of the conversation here, which is to create a community, to create leaders, to help ourselves to be a person of generosity, a person of gratitude, a person of love at the end of the day. And I just, remember having a conversation about five years ago with this beautiful grandma. now this, this beautiful person I'm thinking of, she's 80, mid 80s. I give her a full 80 right away. I'll give her some grace.
But she's just this beautiful person of grace and love and has so much richness to the conversation. Alana, I see the same qualities in you in that space. I remember what Anne said to me. She says, Jeff, want to grow up and I want to be, she says, I'm in my 80s and I still want to grow up, but I want to grow up to be a person who is sweet, who is like a rich wine. You know, as a wine ages,
It gets sweeter. gets more, it gets more potent. It gets, it gets more in that space. Right. That's why, you know, people pay lots of money for, for wines that are centuries, years old and older. But then, yeah, the opposite to that is if you, you know, you open up that wine and you know, it gets, it gets stale. It gets vinegar or it gets bitter, you know? And so, you know, it's, it's to be a person who's, who's sweet knob.
bitter.
You know, there are so many people in the world and it basically comes back down to fear and love, right? There are so many people that I've seen that I've helped and I've helped and I've seen in my own family and, everything else, basically just let fear control their lives. And they've become like vinegar. They become bitter.
And then, but the people who let love and joy and abundance and peace and work towards that side of the conversation, I find those people become rich. They become rich in flavor and become bold. They become full of life. They become full of flavor. They become like love. And I see that you and yourself, Alana, and you're about to launch a book. And so I want to talk about that as well. But I just thank you very much for jumping on being a guest here for the LaptopLoss.dash.
⁓ and bringing your rich aroma to the conversation here. But I'd you to just give yourself an opportunity here to give yourself a of a plug for your book and the purpose, the impact that you see for this book. And also, if our audience wants to reach out and have a conversation with you, where can they find you?
Alana Cahoon (31:44)
Thank you for this. The book that is soon to be released is called Creating Abundance. Access your inner wisdom to manifest radiant health, wealth and happiness. And it's really it's the story of what I teach everyone. ⁓ And much of the information in the book is in a program that I created called Being in Balance, Creating Abundant Life.
Jeff Ross (32:02)
Mm.
Alana Cahoon (32:12)
And I moved through the different stories with different clients and their stories. You know, people who've lost everything, whether it was from divorce or losing a job or, you know, illness, the things you said, and then doing the work, saying, I'm where I am today and I don't want to be here anymore. How can I, how can I rise back up without being bitter? And you can.
Jeff Ross (32:39)
Yeah.
Alana Cahoon (32:40)
And forgiveness is the key right there, everyone. It's forgiveness, not only forgiving others and forgiving circumstances, more than anything, it's about forgiving yourself. All of it.
Jeff Ross (32:43)
Yeah.
probably have to come back for a second episode just to talk about forgiveness because I can go down that rabbit hole and we will have to come back for that another time but yeah forgiveness is powerful and I see like love you know
When the Bible talks about love, I've come to understand that, you know, when it talks about forgiveness, it talks about mercy, it talks about, you know, empathy, peace and joy and all of that sort of stuff, what it's actually describing is all the attributes, all of the faces of love. And, you know.
This whole conversation today, Alana, if I had to put a bow on it, this has been about love. And this is about being about helping us to love ourselves. part of that...
is learning to forgive ourselves. And I say all the time that the only reason my marriage has survived as long as it has, but now it's thriving as well, is because we've learnt the art or learning the art of true forgiveness, you know? And yeah, that's some powerful stuff. So, yeah.
Alana Cahoon (34:07)
Yeah.
Jeff Ross (34:08)
I think I need to give this conversation a little bit more time just to let it brew a bit. So I do want to ask you, so how do we learn how to forgive ourselves?
Alana Cahoon (34:17)
through prayer, ⁓ silent meditation and reflection, not running and avoiding the pain and suffering, but leaning into it, ⁓ allowing yourself to yell, not at anyone, just to release the emotions, to release the fear, release the anger, write it out, use a journal, write it on your computer, just...
Jeff Ross (34:23)
Mmm.
I love that.
Alana Cahoon (34:46)
write a letter to whoever, to whatever, and then throw it away, burn it. But it's getting it out of your body, out of your brain, so that it's not consuming you and destroying you, because that's who you're destroying. Anytime you hold anger and resentment toward anyone, whether you think they deserve it or not, you're the one who's suffering too, even more so because they might not even know.
Jeff Ross (34:58)
Mmm.
Yeah.
Alana Cahoon (35:15)
They don't know what's going on in your head. You're carrying this, this, you know, rock. Let the rock break apart. Forgive them and then forgive yourself for holding on and forgive yourself for whatever part it is. And maybe you were doing too much for them.
Jeff Ross (35:15)
I love that.
Mmm.
Yeah, it's beautiful. So.
For our listeners, if you'd love to really get into this conversation, I highly recommend grabbing Alana's book when it's launched. And it's going to, it's going to have some really rich wisdom on this. This is just the tip of the iceberg conversation, the 10,000 foot overview. So Alana, thank you very much for jumping on and just having a conversation with me about this. It's been brilliant. And yeah, I can't wait to have, can't wait to have you back as a guest, come around for the second time. We'll go a lot deeper into this conversation around forgiveness or unfaithfulness.
even. ⁓ What's that saying? ⁓ Unforgiveness is like drinking poison expecting the other person to die. And then I want to just leave our audience with this. If you're not forgiving yourself, if you're harboring unforgiveness for yourself, guess what you're doing? You're still drinking that same poison expecting yourself to die.
Alana Cahoon (36:07)
Mmm.
Jeff Ross (36:31)
If I can give you any words of wisdom today and off the back of Alana's conversation, do whatever it takes to process and learn to forgive. Alana, thank you very much for this amazing conversation.
Alana Cahoon (36:43)
Thank you, Jeff.